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posted by: kooie
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Posted Wed, Aug 17 at 3:13 PM PDT
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I just want to warn anyone thinking of having Sculptra injections
in the periorbital area (under the eyes)...
Don't do it!
What a 'flippin' nightmare. If you read the information that Aventis Pharmaceuticals,( manufactured for Dermik Laboratories) puts out it clearly states : "SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF TREATMENT IN THE PERIORBITAL AREA HAVE NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED"
I had sculptra injected under my eyes, the first time it was a little lumpy and
one eye responded slightly with a little fill in the hollow area. So I had to have it done again.
The second time I guess the doc hit a blood vessel, talk about a bruise !
Now 3 months later the lumps under both eyes are horrible. There is no massage that would/will get rid of them. I did everything right, massage and cold pac, Arnica, steroids,( had an allergic reaction the first time) no sun. Hid in the house for 2 months ... There is a lot of fluid build up that is normal when having sculptra under the eyes, can take 3 weeks for that alone to go away.
My girl friend had her eyes done the at the same time and has had most of the same problems.
The stuff works great for the cheek area. The lumps are there but you can't see them. (You can feel though) The skin under the eye is just too thin. It would take a Master Physician to inject this stuff under the eyes. It has to be injected correctly,
First it has to be reconstituted for at least 2 hours, the product has to be agitated immediately prior to use. Sculptra has to be injected into the deep dermis. The skin has to be stretched in the opposite direction of the injection.
Then a reflux maneuver should be performed to assure that a blood vessel has not been entered. A threading or tunneling technique should then be deposited
in the tissue plane as the needle is withdrawn.
(this is a lot of trust to put into a busy doctor, who has a large staff he puts in charge of remembering to reconstitute it the day before and to agitate it immediately prior to injecting)
The instructions for placing this implant are something that has to be followed. This takes years of experience and most american doctors don't have this as Sculptra is new to this country. Just wanted to warn people that placing Sculptra under the eyes is not with out considerable risk. |
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There are 20 replies to the above message:
posted by: kay2 | | Posted Wed, Aug 17 at 5:50 PM PDT | | I'm so sorry for what you are going through, but thank you soooo much for your posting. Had seriously been considering Sculptra to repair Thermage damage, but decided to wait awhile just to see what people (like you) thought of it. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! By the way the Docs have been pushing it, you would swear it's a total miracle cure for all that ails you. I'm sure for the people who are HIV with severe facial wasting, a few bumps is better than what they have...and in that instance it is very successful, just doesn't seem to be the case for regular folks. |
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posted by: vanillasky | | Posted Wed, Aug 17 at 5:55 PM PDT | Thank you for sharing your experience despite the fact that it was not very good.
I did ask my doctor about SCULPTRA for under eyes and he did say he would not use it in that area because it is mainly formulated to fill deep depressions as a result of HIV. He mentioned "facial wasting."
However, I am comtemplating Restylane under the eyes.
Good luck to you and sorry you have had such an undesirable result!
Karen
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posted by: kooie | | Posted Wed, Aug 17 at 9:16 PM PDT | Hi Kay2 and karen,
Thanks for good wishes.
I am glad Karen your doctor was informed about the use of Sculptra under the
eyes.
I had some of the sculptra injected around the jowl area on both sides of
my mouth and it filled in very nicely. So for that area it is awesome. There are some lumps on each side of my mouth but you can only feel them, not see them.
I will see the doctor who did this to me tomorrow. He has offered some free laser of some kind. I now have wrinkles that weren't there before. ( I had hollowed eyes not wrinkled.) Anyway he has offered some laser. I will talk to him about this and then research it. He also gave me free make-up to cover the skin discoloration and the bruise. The make up is awesome for cosmetic surgery patients. Its called Jane Iredale. The cirlcle/delete is a wonderful cover up with the pressed mineral powder over it. So the doctor is trying to fix the problems. I would be very interested in know what the Resty does for you Karen.
I have read on line about a lot of problems with that as well. (under the eye)
That tissue under the eye is so thin, its hard to hide anything. So research it some more and if you do have it let me know how it goes.
I have been in contact with a well known french doctor who studied under the person who developed the product.( Sculptra/New Fill) ( He has a practice in New York and San Fran) He specializes in treating patients with aids. In the after noon he does treat some women with Sculptra for cosmetic purposes.
He said he has been successful with Sculptra under the eyes. However he did say that he has years of experience and he recommends that no should inject Sculptra
under the eyes unless they have been using it for sometime.
He has also told me that Sculptra can be dissolved if your not happy with it.
This is something no american doctor can do. So if someone out there is unhappy with the results from Sculptra e-mail me and I 'll give you his name.
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posted by: vanillasky | | Posted Wed, Aug 17 at 9:36 PM PDT | Hi Kooie:
Under eye hollows are quite a problem. I have them too and I hate them! I am apprehensive about Restylane under the eyes, but currently, I have Restylane in the smile lines around the mouth. I have had nothing but good results from this. No migration, bruising, swelling, pain, etc.
My doctor claims that Restylane under the eyes aside from fat grafting is the best way to go. However, I have read of the misadventures by injectors who were inexperienced with it. I, personally, would only trust a plastic/reconstructive surgeon that is experienced in the administration of these injectable fillers. We should not be the ones to be experimented with. On my last visit about 6 weeks ago, I told him I was going to wait to see how my body would adapt to the Restylane.
Since then, people on this site and others have had Restylane under the eyes in the tear trough, and most are seeing improvement. Nevertheless, we don't know how we will do with it. I am still undecided at this point. I have another appointment in November for Restylane again. Maybe in the meantime, I should get myself some of that Jane Iredale.
Karen |
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posted by: girld | | Posted Sat, Aug 27 at 1:00 AM PDT | Kooie-
I have a HUGE big lump in my temple from sculptra, and would love to know how to disolve them! My doctor has injected them with saline, and tried to "pop" the bump with a needle (which I hope didn't cause more scar tissue!) and nothing has been successful, and it's getting bigger! I would love to have his name and emial. Thanks so much... |
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posted by: daybyday | | Posted Thu, Aug 18 at 10:53 AM PDT | I was wondering if you'd mind sharing who did your sculptra? I'm so sorry about your experience. I've been considering this for under eye hollows and had not heard anyone have this bad of a reaction. I hope you're able to have the problems resolved without too much pain or money involved.
Thanks for your time. |
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posted by: kooie | | Posted Thu, Aug 18 at 10:35 PM PDT | Hi Daybyday,
I had my Sculptra done in Northern Ca.
The Sculptra worked great in the cheek hollows and temple areas. (my experience)
The periorbital area is thinned skinned, therefore special care must be taken.I contacted the company Aventis Pharmaceuticals, (they manufacture Sculptra, for Dermik Laboratories) I was told that Sculptra was not tested for use in the periorbital and that I shouldn't have had it placed there. They sent me some forms to fill out to report what I went through.
You can call them and see what they have to say about Sculptra being used under the eyes 1-800-633-1610.
I spent a lot of time on line trying to find before and after of Sculptra use under the eyes and I found only one.( Marriane, and she looked worse after the Sculptra under her eyes) I found plenty showing the cheek hollows and temples. So that in it self has to say something.
My friend had her eyes done at the same time as me and hers are all lumpy as well.
I would love to talk with other women who had positive results in the hollows under the eyes.
I saw my doctor today and he has offered me something called CO2 laser for under my eyes. I set up the laser treatment for Oct. I hope this isn't a mistake...
I guess time will tell about this stuff being used under the eyes. I certainly would never do it again and would never recommend it to anyone.
Keep me posted if you do have Sculptra under your eyes.
Thanks for writing.
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posted by: Shar47 | | Posted Thu, Aug 18 at 11:46 PM PDT | Hey Kooie, I live in No. Calif & was considering doing something for my hollow undereyes. You didn't by chance have a doc in San Joaquin County did you?? Would hate to go there. If you could give a little more info on who this doc is would appreciate it.
If you have a tummy tuck, can they use the fat from there for under eyes? How long does that last- does anyone know?? A friend said she knew someone who did that.
Thanks for any replies!!
Shar |
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posted by: lissa | | Posted Fri, Aug 19 at 12:55 PM PDT | Hi Kooie - can you please email me at lissalissak@yahoo.com? Had this done 4 weeks ago and now I am scared! I am in Norcal too! So sorry to hear about this!
I also want to say for the record Marianne is very happy with the Sculptra under her eyes. I think the first treatment gave her ridges (an area that was not treated in between the sculptra and her fat graft to cheeks). But the second treatment fixed it and she is happy. |
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posted by: joyce | | Posted Fri, Aug 19 at 3:24 PM PDT | | Hi Kooie and Lissa, are either of you by change near Sonoma county? |
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posted by: lissa | | Posted Fri, Aug 19 at 4:13 PM PDT | |
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posted by: kooie | | Posted Fri, Aug 19 at 10:51 PM PDT | Hi Joyce,
I am in the Butte County AREA |
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posted by: kooie | | Posted Fri, Aug 19 at 10:17 PM PDT | Hi Lissa,
Thanks for your info on Marianne, I didn't know she had a second corrective
procedure.
I am glad the second treatment fixed the problem of what I saw, Which was considerable lumpiness.
I say considerable because of her youthful appearance. She looks much to young to have the lumps that I saw in the photo's she posted on line.
Everyone who is interested in fixing this problem can go to this web site
http://www.drmeronk.com/index.html
Scroll down to 'THE HOLLOWED EYE" You will learn all the current and most effective procedures for correcting the hollowness under the eye.
It is graphic, surgery is actually shown. I have learned there are no short cuts for this problem. Sculptra even if it works will only last up to 2 years.
The procedure you will learn about at the above web site is about 6-7 thousand.
Not too bad if its a one time thing. This information is worth reading even if you don't want to spend 6-7 thousand.
I saw my doctor today who put the Sculptra in and when he walked into the room
he said "You really need to let me do laser on your eyes" So well that's what I am going to do. This will only tone down the lumps and tighten the newly wrinkled skin.
This will not fill in the hollows. At this point I don't care about the hollows. I just want the lumps gone.
Amazing how my priorities have changed....
P.S. I will e-mail you personally...
I just wanted to publicly correct my info on Marianne.
As well give the web site with the best info I've read about eye hollows... |
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posted by: lissa | | Posted Sat, Aug 20 at 10:02 AM PDT | KOOIE - I'm about to email you but want to say this on the boards too. CO2 will NOT correct sculptra lumps. There is no reason why it should. It supposedly helps wrinkles, but most doctors are going for different lasers these days anyway, rather than the more invasive CO2.
I do not think this doc knows what CO2 will really do, think he doesn't know what else to do for you. Get a second opinion. |
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posted by: kooie | | Posted Fri, Aug 19 at 10:48 PM PDT |
Hi Shar,
No I didn't have my Sculptra in San Joaquin County.
I think if I was to do this with a new doctor the one question I would ask is "How many Sculptra treatments have you done under the eye.?"
Under the eye is the key point. Its a whole different ball of wax under the eye compared to in the cheek hollows.
Experience is important. With this experience the doctor will be more informed about the pros and cons.
The cons being LUMPS... Believe me the lumps look way worse than the hollows. (in my opinion)
Good luck, check out this web site about eye hollows...
http://www.drmeronk.com/index.html
scroll down to "THE HOLLOWED EYE"
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posted by: lekat | | Posted Wed, Aug 24 at 6:31 PM PDT | Make sure you fully understand the c02 healing process- and issues. I had that done under my eyes. Recovery took a very long time, over 2 weeks for me, (this is raw burned skin, you cannot use makeup until new skin forms, which is like 2 weeks); was extremely painful the first week and the bright pink/red skin did not subside until after 3 months. I have fair skin. I had a very tiny freckle under one of my eyes and the laser treatment made it much darker and larger. I had the c02 laser a few years ago and my eye skin is now just as krinkly as it was before.
There are much less invasive techniques for the eye area, the ebrium laser and even tca peeling. I would have rather of had that done had it been offered. I think some of these doctors spent a lot of money on the c02, sinc it was the orignal laser, and they want to get a return on their investment.
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posted by: kooie | | Posted Wed, Aug 24 at 9:15 PM PDT | Hi lekat and All...
I know that the CO2 will not fix the Sculptra lumps (unfortunately)
It has been recommended because a blood vessel was hit under the right eye and
after much hot packing, cold packing and massaging the skin looks like the hind end of an elephant. The blood supply has been effected.
The skin under the left eye is fine (except for the sculptra lumps)
The skin on the left has returned to exactly how it was.( before Sculptra) The right is noticeable wrinkled and several people have commented on it. The doctor looked at the right eye where the blood vessel was hit and told me that what I saw was as far as this area was going to heal and in his opinion I should let him laser the eye area. He recommend doing both eyes and lightly feathering down my face so I wouldn't have new skin in just one area. He at first said he would use ebrium but after further looking at the right eye he feels the CO2 would accomplish more of what I need.
He is doing this for free. I know that the left eye looks fine and the other looks noticeable different. I have to do something and don't really want to spend the money on a lower bleph until I try the laser.
Its like the skin under the right eye has died, it has no color, (I know the laser won't fix that and may make it worse) the area is getting worse with the sagging. Everyday I look at it its worse. I thought I would try the laser ( as its free and if it doesn't work I 'll have to go for a lower bleph to bring up the sagging, wrinkled skin.)
I am going to ask tomorrow about having the less invasive ebrium. I would much rather have something not so severe. He has a new Fraxel laser but has said that its not going to fix the skin under the right eye to degree it will accomplish the look of the other eye. ( he has 16 lasers)
I would be very happy if the laser worked for 2-3 years, at that time the Sculptra will be gone(I hope) and I can go to the eye doctor in Ventura.
I very much appreciate all your advice and I am definitely thinking twice about the CO2.
I will kept you posted and again thank you for all the information.
I am going go read up on the ebrium right now...
If I had information like all this I'd never had Sculptra under my eyes.
THANK YOU !!!
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posted by: girld | | Posted Sat, Aug 27 at 11:57 PM PDT | Kooie--
I have some sculptra bumps in my temple that won't go away...i'd love to have the name and number of the excellent doctor in California who knows how to dissolve them away!! Can you leave the info on this message board? thanks....!! |
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posted by: shoppingqueen | | Posted Fri, Sep 23 at 5:54 AM PDT | Oh, yes, I looked at this. We have had it here in London (called New Fill) for a while, & it was touted as suitable for under eye hollows. But I spoke to an excellent doctor who said he would NOT use injectables in the orbital area. He said it would interfere with the 'drainage' (said with THE sexiest French accent).
He said the Erbium Yag laser was probably my best bet, & Im looking at a new one another doctor recommends, the 'Portrait laser'. There is a doctor who has been mentioned on another thread who does pearl fat grafting, but I looked at the 'after' photos of 3 months after & didnt like the results at all. |
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posted by: kooie | | Posted Fri, Sep 23 at 9:08 PM PDT | Hi Shoppingqueen,
( I love to shop too)
Are you in London? I have been trying like crazy to find info about New Fill
in the UK. I can't find any info or complaints about it over there.
Do you have lumps ? How many Sculptra treatments did you have ?
Do you know if the lumps go away in time?
I have heard of the portrait laser but not for use on Sculptra lumps.
Keep us posted on what you do and what you hear... in all those sexy French accents...
Thanks for posting!
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